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Washington Women’s Heritage Project records, 1900-2000 
University of Washington Libraries Special Collections 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas 
March 14, 1981 
Cassette 1, Side 1 
 
 
Winona Weber  00:03 
Just turn that on [inaudible]. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  00:05 
She'd make quilts, and she was always busy.  
 
Winona Weber  00:11 
Uh-huh. Did she teach you how to make the baskets? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  00:17 
Mm-hmm. 
 
Winona Weber  00:18 
How old were you when you made your first basket, do you think? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  00:21 
I'm remembering, I met that woman in Sumner that bought my basket and she still had it. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  00:21 
[?Thirteen?]. 
 
Winona Weber  00:21 
Oh, my. 
 
Winona Weber  00:31 
Oh, really? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  00:33 
[Laughs] [?Never a?] real good-looking thing [?but?] she had it. 
 
Winona Weber  00:39 
What did you make your first basket out of? 
 
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Maybelle Cultee Thomas  00:41 
Out of raffia. 
 
Winona Weber  00:43 
Oh, really? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  00:43 
Uh-huh. I'm making one now, I'll show you.  
 
Winona Weber  00:47 
OK.  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  00:50 
[Inaudible.] [Tape recorder shifting]. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  00:55 
You know, when I got a stroke I never thought I'd ever do that kind of work again.  
 
Winona Weber  00:59 
Oh, really? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  01:00 
Yeah, I was completely paralyzed. 
 
Winona Weber  01:03 
Oh, well a lot of people, they really come back from their stroke. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  01:06 
Yeah. I had a heart operation two years before that. That's what triggered it, I guess. 
 
Winona Weber  01:19 
Now, you sold this basket. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  01:22 
Yeah. I was teaching my granddaughter how to make this. Yeah, a lot of women used to make 
these. My sister and I used to stay up late at night making these when we lived down at a place 
they call [?Wollochet?] Bay by Gig Harbor. And her and I used to-- they used to have gas lights 
[laughs]. This is hard work. I mean, you know it's-- takes a long time to make a basket. A lot of 
people don't like to pay much for a basket, but I'd like to have them sit down and make it 
[laughs]. [Crosstalk.] 
 
Winona Weber  02:22 
[Crosstalk.] 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  02:26 
It's kind of hard because a lot of times... See how they get? The raffia. 
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Winona Weber  02:32 
Yeah, they get it all tangled up.  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  02:34 
Tangled up, and then they-- when they get dry, they break easy. 
 
Winona Weber  02:39 
Yeah I've seen... Is all of this raffia, or...? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  02:43 
No, this is-- 
 
Winona Weber  02:44 
What's this? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  02:45 
--sweet grass.  
 
Winona Weber  02:46 
Oh, I see. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  02:46 
Get them going to Hoquiam. A lot of them grow there.  
 
Winona Weber  02:52 
Yeah, I've seen them there. What is this? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  02:59 
Raffia, you have buy that. Boy, they're expensive now, too. 'Course they get it from Philippine 
Islands, I guess.  
 
Winona Weber  03:08 
I don't know where they get it. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  03:09 
Yeah. They're-- you can't get it in the [?harbor?]. I have to go clear to Hoodsport. 
 
Winona Weber  03:23 
Did your mother make raffia baskets also? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  03:26 
Uh-huh. 
 
Winona Weber  03:28 
What did they use for the baskets before they had raffia, do you know? 
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Maybelle Cultee Thomas  03:35 
Well, they didn't do much work like this. They made baskets out of sweetgrass, you know?  
 
Winona Weber  03:41 
Yeah. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  03:42 
Like... My throat gets funny. I got this allergy.  
 
Winona Weber  03:48 
Oh.  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  03:48 
Oh. Anyway, little baskets, ha, I got to show you two. 
 
Winona Weber  03:55 
OK. [Tape recorder shifting.] 
 
Winona Weber  03:58 
Did you know anybody that made, um -- oh, here's a piece your thing -- cedar root baskets?  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  04:03 
Yeah, my grand-aunt used to make them. She lived in Firwood. She used to make real beautiful 
baskets. Boy, they're expensive now. 
 
Winona Weber  04:19 
Oh, yeah, you couldn't touch one of those cedar root baskets. 
 
Winona Weber  04:21 
Oh really? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  04:21 
[Laughs] Yeah, my grand-aunt used to. I used to go up [?the hills there?], up there at Fife, about 
Fife there, and help her pick roots. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  04:30 
Mm-hmm. 
 
Winona Weber  04:37 
What kind of roots?  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  04:39 
Cedar roots. We looked for old logs and-- that's all decayed, you know? And you dig around in 
there and they're growing inside there. And she used to take them home and then split them, get 
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them all ready for basket. I used to watch her. I used to-- then when she'd go up the mountain, 
Mount Rainier, and she'd pick those grass, white grass, you know, make designs with.  
 
Winona Weber  05:21 
I've seen it on baskets. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  05:22 
Yeah, mm-hmm. Yeah, she used to go up there and get them. Yeah, that was quite a thing when 
you-- I used to go along with her there to pick those roots. 
 
Winona Weber  05:41 
How old were you when you'd go and do that? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  05:43 
Uh, mostly about 9 or 10 years old [laughs]. See, we lived there at [?Gardena?], they call it. It's 
near Fife. That's where my stepdad had a home, and that's where we were raised until I was 
about 15 years old and I left there. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  06:24 
I went to school in St. George's. 
 
Winona Weber  06:28 
Yeah, I've heard of that before.  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  06:29 
Yeah, I went there for seven years and then I got a eye infection -- got hit in the eye with a ball. 
One of the Sisters hit the ball and it bounced back and hit me right in the eye. [Inaudible] I had to 
quit schooling [inaudible]. So I went one year to Tulalip and I graduated from there. 
 
Winona Weber  06:54 
How old were you when you graduated from Tulalip? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  06:56 
Fifteen.  
 
Winona Weber  06:57 
That was in the eighth grade. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  07:00 
I'd have been 14 if I'd stayed in St. George's, but I couldn't stay, I had to go to Tulalip. 
 
Winona Weber  07:09 
I wonder why. Why wouldn't they let you stay? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  07:14 
Well, I couldn't-- my eye was so bad, I couldn't see, or anything. 
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Winona Weber  07:20 
Oh, gee, that [inaudible] too bad. St. George's was a Catholic boarding school there at Fife, 
[inaudible]? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  07:28 
Yeah. Boy, that was a tough life [laughs].  
 
Winona Weber  07:34 
Oh really? What was it like there?  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  07:37 
Oh, we used to get up real early in the morning, about six o'clock, and go to church. And we had 
a dormitory and there was 14-- oh, there was more than that. I can't even remember how many 
kids slept in a-- we call the big girls dormitory and little girls. And we never had no toilets, or 
anything up there. We used to have to carry buckets. 
 
Winona Weber  08:12 
Oh, really? Gee. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  08:15 
And washbasins. They didn't have any running water them days. 
 
Winona Weber  08:24 
Oh, really? At St. George's? Were there were a lot of other Indian kids there? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  08:29 
Oh, there were a lot of them. 
 
Winona Weber  08:32 
How did they end up there? Was a BIA school, or just a--? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  08:36 
No, it was a-- some Catholic... I don't know what they call it, a [inaudible]? That used to give 
money to the church-- I mean, to the school. Yeah there was quite a few Indian. I run into some 
of them sometime. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  09:15 
That Sister we had, she was kind of... Oh, I don't know. I don't think she liked Indians very well 
[laughs].  
 
Winona Weber  09:24 
Oh, really?  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  09:25 
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Only one I really liked was the boys' sister, she was real nice. Her name was Sister Mary. She 
used to run the laundry room and some of us girls that worked with her, she always had some 
candy in her pocket for us. 
 
Winona Weber  09:43 
Aww, gee, she sounds like a nice lady. How did you do in school? Did you like it, the classes?  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  09:54 
Oh, I liked the classes all right. But what they taught us mostly was, you know, Bible, Bible 
history, catechism. We just got a very little bit of other school. I was good in arithmetic. You 
wouldn't think so now, with all the mistakes I make [they laugh]. 
 
Winona Weber  10:23 
Doing good to be good in arithmetic. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  10:26 
I was left handed. I started writing my left hand, but the Sister wouldn't let me, so... She'd hit my 
hand and I'd have to write with my right hand. 
 
Winona Weber  10:38 
Wonder why. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  10:39 
I don't know. They had so many superstitious Sisters. 
 
Winona Weber  10:45 
Were your parents Catholic?  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  10:47 
No.  
 
Winona Weber  10:50 
They just sent you there to get an education, then. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  10:53 
Yeah, well, that's where most of the Indian kids were sent. 
 
Winona Weber  11:03 
From around the Puyallup area?  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  11:05 
Yeah. [Inaudible] you know, um... What's his name now? [?Spiks?] and what was his name's 
mother, I went to school with her.  
 
Winona Weber  11:18 
Oh, really?  
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Maybelle Cultee Thomas  11:19 
Mm-hmm, Alice. 
 
Winona Weber  11:22 
Where was she from? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  11:24 
I don't know. I just see her once in a while when she comes over. 
 
Winona Weber  11:36 
Did your parents think that education was really important, or was it more the government 
wanted you to go to school?  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  11:43 
Government wanted us to go to school. You had to be [?reroute?] there after you didn't go to 
school [?them days?]. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  12:01 
I liked it over in Tulalip. They have real nice buildings. They had running water and everything. 
They had electricity. When we were in St. George's we had lamps. 
 
Winona Weber  12:23 
Gas lamps?  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  12:24 
No, oil lamps. And we had to pack our water three floors up. Boy, that was something. I'll never 
forget that. And they have such a big space at Tulalip. They had nice grounds. Only thing was 
that we had to march. We had companies, A Company, B Company, and all that, and we had to 
march. Early in the morning we had to get up [they laugh]. And then Sunday, we had to walk 
about two miles to church. I didn't mind that though. I liked that, [?getting away from my?] 
school grounds, you know, [inaudible] Tulalip. They had their own hospital, [?clinic?]. The boys 
all ate in our dining room, and we could talk to one another. Tulalip-- I mean, in St. George's, 
you couldn't even whisper. You were in the dining room, you weren't allowed to talk.  
 
Winona Weber  13:48 
I wonder why.  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  13:49 
I don't know. You didn't dare say a word in Indian. 
 
Winona Weber  13:54 
Oh, I'll bet.  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  13:58 
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I guess the Sisters didn't want us girls cussing them in Indian [laughs]. We did a lot of times, 
though. [They laugh.] Boy, they were mean there.  
 
Winona Weber  14:10 
Yeah.  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  14:13 
That's where my son in law... He's a Catholic. Him and I always argue that, and I says, "The 
Catholics were mean." [They laugh.] 
 
Winona Weber  14:28 
How were the two schools, would you think, academically? You know, their classes, how would 
you compare them? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  14:38 
I don't-- I learned more at Tulalip than I ever did in St. George's. Of course, I was always 
interested in reading and I've done a lot of reading and [inaudible]. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  14:50 
You know is [?Jim Oliver?] down here? 
 
Winona Weber  14:50 
Uh-huh. 
 
Winona Weber  14:50 
[Inaudible] [sneezes]. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  15:07 
I graduated with him.  
 
Winona Weber  15:09 
From Tulalip? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  15:09 
Tulalip. Yeah it was pretty nice school there. It's all apartments there. They tore down most 
everything now. 
 
Winona Weber  15:25 
Yeah there's the-- the school isn't there anymore. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  15:29 
I know. We went took a ride down there one time. Gee, I felt bad. I saw our-- you know, they 
used to have lilac bushes, great big row of it. And boy, you could smell those things even from 
our building. But they were still there yet when I went there last, but I imagine they're all gone 
by now. 
 
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Winona Weber  15:55 
I don't know, I don't know whether they'd be gone or not.  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  15:59 
I'd like to take a trip down [?there again?].  
 
Winona Weber  16:02 
Up to Tulalip?  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  16:04 
Yeah. I think I'll have-- we usually [?in summer?] go to... Phyllis [inaudible] take me around. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  16:17 
[Coughs] Darn, this hay fever I got this year is terrible. 
 
Winona Weber  16:27 
Oh, I see. Did your mother... when when she was making baskets, did she sell her baskets to 
make-- bring in extra money? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  16:39 
Uh-huh, yeah. She used to even trade for clothes, real nice clothes. She used to trade her baskets 
at Point Defiance, and all those rich people. And even pots and pans [?and things she had to 
sell?], she had a lot of things, real nice things. See, I think she had... There was three doctors, the 
doctor families that lived there at Point Defiance where she used to get things. Used to get real 
nice clothes and things from them. 
 
Winona Weber  17:19 
What would they do with her baskets? Would they just put them on the shelf? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  17:22 
[?Yes.?] There was one man that used to-- I don't know how many baskets of hers that they have 
and then they'd give it for presents or send them back East somewhere. Yeah, they bought a lot 
of them from her. 
 
Winona Weber  17:48 
Did she ever do any traveling to-- I mean, besides going to Point Defiance to sell her baskets? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  17:59 
Oh, there were-- you know, a long time ago, a lot of the Indians used to go berry picking and hop 
picking and they always went to Yakima, pick hops. We had a lot of fun them days. [Laughs.] 
 
Winona Weber  18:20 
You'd go over to the-- go over east of the mountains for the hop season. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  18:25 
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Uh-huh. Indians from everywhere would go there and... Even from British Columbia. Then 
they'd have bone games. 
 
Winona Weber  18:34 
Oh, gee, that must have been nice, getting a chance to...  
 
Winona Weber  18:39 
It must have been kind of interesting getting to know Indians from all over.  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  18:44 
Yeah, I think a lot of them just wanted to do that, you know, go pick berries and pick hops. You 
know, they meet different people. There are a lot of them from Canada come over. We used to 
go to [?Alderton?].  
 
Winona Weber  19:04 
Yeah, I know where that is. Were your parents Christians? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  19:14 
Yeah, my mom was Shaker. 
 
Winona Weber  19:18 
Oh, really? Did you-- did your family participate in the -- they call them winter ceremonials? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  19:29 
No, unh-uh.  
 
Winona Weber  19:30 
[Inaudible] they did the-- 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  19:31 
No. My grandmother and... She used to have Shaker meetings down there in Squaxin Island. And 
they had two boats. They used to haul clams and haul passengers to Olympia. And she'd get 
people from all over out from Muckleshoot, different reservations, Skokomish, Nisqually, get 
Indians from over there and they'd come over on the cars and then she'd go to the mainland, pick 
them up, and bring them out to her home when they have Shaker meetings. And then she'd take 
them back when they were through, on weekends. Yeah, she was a Christian all her life.  
 
Winona Weber  20:30 
Was that your mother [inaudible]? Or was it [crosstalk]? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  20:34 
My grandmother. 
 
Winona Weber  20:35 
Your grandmother. Oh, I see. She must have been one of the real early Shakers. 
 
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Maybelle Cultee Thomas  20:41 
Yeah. There was [?just?] about four or five houses down there, they used to have-- you know, 
have different house, go to different houses to shake. Sometimes when I'd go down there in 
summertime after school, I'd be helping out in the kitchen. Most of the time I did the dishes 
[laughs]. 
 
Winona Weber  21:10 
Yeah, do a lot of dishes. 
 
Speaker 1  21:15 
Yeah, we used to go out and hunt ducks and... Just before they-- the people'd come down, and 
that's the only job I didn't like was cleaning them ducks there. You had to burn the feathers. 
 
Winona Weber  21:33 
Oh, gee. I don't like the smell of wet [crosstalk]. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  21:35 
I don't either. I didn't like the smell of them. That's what I'd tell my kids [inaudible]. You never 
had no easy life. Now, you just screw on in there and turn the water on, and you have all kinds of 
water, hot water and warm water and cool water [laughs]. They had wells, and I had to go 
[?dipping?] the water out.  
 
Winona Weber  22:05 
I just had to make sure that it's still going. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  22:13 
I had a kind of interesting life, though. 
 
Winona Weber  22:16 
Oh, yeah. You really do.  
 
Winona Weber  22:23 
You stopped going to school when you graduated from Tulalip.  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  22:27 
Yeah. 
 
Winona Weber  22:30 
Did you just think you had enough education? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  22:33 
No, I wanted to go to Chemawa, but my mother and my stepdad didn't want me to go. I don't 
know, they used to hear rumors of everything around about schools, you know? 
 
Winona Weber  22:56 
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What would people who didn't like the school say about the schools? I've never heard that. I 
don't know what they said. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  23:04 
Well, my folks, they didn't like it because they heard so much about what they did at the school. 
I mean, I didn't really pay too much attention about it. Yeah, I signed up for Chemawa, but they 
wouldn't let me go. I think more or less it was my stepdad's fault. He wanted me to stay home 
and babysit [laughs]. 
 
Winona Weber  23:29 
Oh, I see, yeah [laughs]. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  23:34 
They used to work out in the farms, you know. They didn't leave me to go babysitting them just 
to go out. My mother never used to go out partying, or anything, but they worked out in the 
farms and they had nobody to take care of the kids. 
 
Winona Weber  24:05 
Your-- did your mother participate in-- you were talking about when you'd go to Yakima. Did 
you go to Yakima with your mother and stepfather? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  24:17 
Yeah, they'd go up there to pick hops. 
 
Winona Weber  24:23 
Would she participate in the bone games? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  24:25 
Oh, no. Unh-uh. My mother was kind of a quiet woman. She never did much of anything. She'd 
go and watch them [inaudible] all night long. But boy, she's a good hop picker. 
 
Winona Weber  24:47 
Oh, really? [Laughs.] 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  24:48 
Yeah, she used to make good money. [Inaudible] [?she?] was fast, whew!  
 
Winona Weber  24:58 
I've never picked hops. My friend-- some of my friends have, but I've never picked them.  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  25:02 
I [?picked?] when I was a kid. Oh, my husband and I went out. I don't know how many times we 
went to Yakima before we got Phyllis. After-- and then we used to go pick apples. We used to 
make pretty good money picking apples. Then we had to quit when we got Phyllis and then she 
started school. She used to even pick apples with her dad. Put that bag on her and she'd pick the 
low ones [laughs]. Yeah, that's one reason why I don't think I'd ever get married again. I'd never 
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find a guy... You know, he was always willing to go... He'd never stay in one place. He was a 
restless guy. Whenever they had strikes [inaudible] he was a logger. Get the strikes up at the 
woods. [Inaudible.] [Inaudible] tell him, "Let's go [inaudible] pick berries." "OK. Ready to go 
now." And then we end up going up to Yakima picking hops. And then we'd pick apples and get 
over with, then come back down, he'd go-- by that time, logging started up again. So we had a 
pretty good life. I never stayed home. He was building on this house when he died and he didn't 
ever finished. 
 
Winona Weber  25:06 
Oh, that's too bad. When-- 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  25:58 
Yeah, we [?want to?] fix this house w-- I hope. The BIA.  
 
Winona Weber  26:56 
Oh, really?  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  26:57 
We want to put out-- outside. Fix that. I had a fire there.  
 
Winona Weber  27:05 
Oh, yeah, I see. Kinda looked like something was taken out of it. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  27:10 
Yeah, I just left that day. Juanita asked me if she could have a party here for Loretta. She was 
quite small then. And she brought a whole bunch of kids in here from Taholah. They had a party 
for a [?neice?]. And just then, Dora came over and picked me up. We were gonna go to British 
Columbia.  
 
Winona Weber  27:41 
Oh, really?  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  27:42 
Yeah [laughs]. I was gone when the house burnt. And she had little [inaudible] then. He was a 
baby and they had him sleeping on the couch. And she took the rest of the kids home and she left 
two boys here with-- to babysit while she was delivering the kids.  
 
Winona Weber  28:04 
Yeah. [Tape noises.] 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  28:15 
[Inaudible] [?5?]. 
 
Winona Weber  28:16 
You started at the-- toward the end of World War II?  
 
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Maybelle Cultee Thomas  28:19 
Yeah. 
 
Winona Weber  28:24 
How did you get into that? 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  28:26 
I had a girlfriend. I was waiting on tables and she used to come in all the time and her and I used 
to go to shows. And she says that-- she told me how much she was making an hour and "Holy 
smokes!" Just for training, we were getting $3.50 an hour. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  28:49 
You know, them days that was a lot. And I trained for three months. And then I had my test. I 
passed my [laughs] other test [?for when I'd done?] overhead, doing overhead. And I think I had 
three pin holes. And I flunked that. I had to go another week. You know, you'd-- you make an 
oscillation and then they'd take it and they'd break it and if there's any pin points in there, your 
welding is no good.  
 
Winona Weber  28:49 
That's a lot. 
 
Winona Weber  29:38 
Oh, I see.  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  29:41 
And I passed it. Well, I used to go partying. And that night that-- I mean, that day that I had my 
test I had a hangover [they laugh].  
 
Winona Weber  29:56 
Oh, gee. No wonder you flunked your test.  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  30:01 
Well, I made my journeymanship and I was getting $7.50 an hour.  
 
Winona Weber  30:06 
Boy.  
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  30:10 
Boy, they make $14 an hour now. 
 
Winona Weber  30:14 
Yeah, well, at least. I think that's what a journeyman welder starts at. 
 
Maybelle Cultee Thomas  30:20 
That's-- my st-- 
 